Stratics talk about "the list" of 2016 I'm wondering

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OxAO [AO]
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Post Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:29 am

i'm looking for the guys that was on "the list"
Where they removed from UO since this list was made?
Thank you

Smoot
Olcher
Timberwolf
Longtooths
JC
Aran
The Craftman
Lord Trollo (edit spelling)
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OxAO [AO]
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Post Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:06 pm

did a search it would seem some are playing:
Posted on stratics which suggest they're still playing as of these dates:
last posted:

Smoot Mar 5, 2019
Olcher Posted on hot guild recently and see him on stratics Feb 2019
Timberwolf Apr 10, 2019
Longtooths Feb 19, 2019
JC (the builder) Feb 6, 2016
Aran Feb 18, 2016
The Craftman can't find at all
Lord Trollo Apr 8, 2016 (removed posts)



updated question:
Timberwolf might be around
Longtooths might be around.
JC the builder we know is out.
Aran we know is out
The crafterman Unknown?
Lord Trollo is out

Smoot, Olcher and Timberwolf are likely still playing.

Anyone know what happened to the ones that are out "The crafterman" and Lord Trollo?

Thank you.

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Kiwi [MM]
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Post Thu May 16, 2019 11:29 pm

That had nothing to do with UO itself. It was just a list of people Stratics want to permaban from their website because they were "problem" posters.

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OxAO [AO]
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Post Sun May 19, 2019 1:54 pm

Kiwi wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 11:29 pm
That had nothing to do with UO itself. It was just a list of people Stratics want to permaban from their website because they were "problem" posters.
Timberwolf and Longtooths might still be around while both where blacklisted under the reason "@Mesanna - EM Accountability Regarding events"

Everyone else that wasn't listed as internal issues in the game has either left on their own or was banned for good from the game. Which suggests the list wasn't only Stratics internal it had at the very least the blessing of EA / Mythic Games as it was at the time their official site.

Why Timberwolf and Longtooths might still be around could be either the matter was resolved or they haven't gotten around to removing them as they have with the others.

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Link [HOT]
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Post Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:34 pm

No, I never got unbanned from Stratics lol.

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Captn Norrington
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Post Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:36 pm

Olcher is still extremely active.

Smoot is still extremely active.

Longtooths still actively plays.

Timberwolf doesn't really play anymore but shows up occasionally to visit still.

The Craftsman quit UO a while ago.

Aran I believe quit UO or at least doesn't log in anymore.

Lord Trollo still plays sometimes, but that was never a real account. It was someone else who is more well known using an alternate account.

Also, Ox, you're a conspiracy theory lunatic. There was never any mastermind plan between us and UO to ban people from the game itself, nor were the developers even aware of the lists existence.

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Link [HOT]
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Post Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:48 am

I messaged asking to get unbanned a month ago and no response lol.

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Captn Norrington
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Post Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:45 am

Link wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:48 am
I messaged asking to get unbanned a month ago and no response lol.
I'm not the one in control of that, but it's highly unlikely that you'll ever get unbanned unless the entirety of the leadership and moderation teams retire. The whole releasing a staff member's real world information on live video with a large audience, and then encouraging people to use it to troll him thing will not be forgotten anytime soon.

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Olcher
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Post Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:30 pm

Yea that went just about as expected, Link. The majority of Stratics admins are petty fucks that hold grudges and dangle it over your head for eternity. You're really better off to be honest; they have a loving way of micromanaging any 'prominent' figures in the community (for clarity, I'm not a prominent figure). When they unbanned me they removed my 3000+ post count and >500 like count. They even had me send Mesanna an email apologizing for calling Stratics trash, among several other things I do not care to list. Stuff like this is the most petty shit I've ever encountered. I imagine the only reasons they unbanned me is they knew they couldn't keep me away and I give them occasional content, which at the moment, they're starving for.
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Could go on for a while but I'm bored and they'll probably try to ban me for this already. In case they do, I'm not Olcher from Stratics it's just a coincidence and you have no way to prove it :lol:

But hey, Stratics is all about the community, right?

Curious though, was this 'releasing a staff member's real world information' actually just public information in the first place?

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Captn Norrington
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Post Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:04 am

Olcher wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:30 pm
Yea that went just about as expected, Link. The majority of Stratics admins are petty fucks that hold grudges and dangle it over your head for eternity. You're really better off to be honest; they have a loving way of micromanaging any 'prominent' figures in the community (for clarity, I'm not a prominent figure). When they unbanned me they removed my 3000+ post count and >500 like count. They even had me send Mesanna an email apologizing for calling Stratics trash, among several other things I do not care to list. Stuff like this is the most petty shit I've ever encountered. I imagine the only reasons they unbanned me is they knew they couldn't keep me away and I give them occasional content, which at the moment, they're starving for.

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Could go on for a while but I'm bored and they'll probably try to ban me for this already. In case they do, I'm not Olcher from Stratics it's just a coincidence and you have no way to prove it :lol:

But hey, Stratics is all about the community, right?

Curious though, was this 'releasing a staff member's real world information' actually just public information in the first place?
I'm not sure if/when Link will see this since it seems to take him months between replies, but in the meantime I can answer. The releasing staff member information thing was not public information given by the person themselves. Link pulled up a private email he was sent by a non-board member, while live streaming to 100+ UO players many of who were known trolls like Mike D, which clearly showed the staff member's full real world name and email address. It's a rather unique name so 2 minutes on google could find the person's real world address and other information too, which some of the trolls watching the stream found and then used to harass the person and their family in real life.

In Link's defense, he said that was the first time he saw the email and didn't know it had personal information in it until he opened it while streaming, and was joking when he suggested trolling them with it, but he's the only one that knows how accurate that really is.

Olcher, the email you were asked to send to Mesanna (which I had nothing to do with) as you well know, was because you were the one who dragged her into the Stratics dispute in the first place. Nobody at Stratics actually cared if she was involved at all, that was solely for you to finish what you started by sending her an email out of nowhere complaining about your ban from Stratics in the first place. The general idea was if you were going to waste her time with lies about the site (which you admitted in the email were indeed lies), you could waste her time with the truth about what happened too. I'm sure she was very confused both times why she was even being sent things.

The reason you were allowed back at all (which I had a large say in as the trade forum expert who knew your posts and in-game drama the best) was that we believed you had shown remorse for what got you banned, and that other than the drama wars with a few people and bump rule exploiting your posts were always, overall, productive and within the rules. Basically, you weren't a troll with nothing to add to the community, just someone who fought a lot with a couple of people, which was fixable. I was the one who found most of your ban evasion accounts, and I let you hang onto them a little while to see what you were using them for, it had nothing to do with not being able to keep you away, which I could have done. You've done pretty well since then, so we seem to have made the right decision. I honestly have no idea why your posts and likes were removed though.

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Olcher
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Post Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:30 pm

Aside from sharing any IP/copyrighted information, or some pre-existing mutually agreed condition to keep the emails confident, unfortunately that person waived any right to privacy when they sent that email. If finding this persons personal information is as easy as you say it is then blaming trolling/harassment of Stratics people to what Link did is quite a bold statement.

Clearly no one at Stratics cared about any emails I had sent Mesanna regarding Stratics! You all cared so little that you had me send her a pre-meditated email with several points I HAD mention and cc it back to several people at Stratics. Let's make it real clear Mesanna knew what was going on at Stratics way before any involvement with me, you know cause like, the title of this thread. I'd love to say that my communications with Mesanna was a big reason the official forums happened but it wasn't and she already knew everything I told her.
Captn Norrington wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:04 am
I honestly have no idea why your posts and likes were removed though.
Lol

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Captn Norrington
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Post Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:29 am

Olcher wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:30 pm

Clearly no one at Stratics cared about any emails I had sent Mesanna regarding Stratics! You all cared so little that you had me send her a pre-meditated email with several points I HAD mention and cc it back to several people at Stratics.
I should clarify; one person cared. They were rightfully pretty tired of all the sneaky mod-bashing stuff multiple people at the time were doing, not just you. The email thing being specifically outlined for what you had to say and all that was their frustrated contribution. The rest of us just didn't see a reason to overturn it.

In total seriousness, in the 6ish years I've been staff there, I've only seen a genuine abuse of power like 5 times from anyone. Nearly all of the things people complain about as "mod abuse" or whatever is caused by them misunderstanding something and us, until recently, stupidly restricting ourselves from showing our side of the situation so people only saw the angry person who didn't know half of what they were talking about. The vast majority of all problems we've had were misunderstandings that the person didn't bother to try understanding, just flipped out instead.

#1 example of this I remember is Flutter. Flutter absolutely flipped shit and left the site in an immature huff because her title was changed from whatever she picked for herself to "Always Present." She took it as some personal malicious insult from an admin about her never going away and not being wanted or something, when in reality it automatically happened when we added that title as a trophy for people with 30,000+ posts. Which only she and like two others qualified for, so the system changed their titles automatically without us even knowing. But did she think to ask why the title was changed, and receive the perfectly understandable and innocent answer? No, of course not, she just flipped shit and complained without even talking to us, then proceeded to insult us to her friends for literally years over it. I've seen, without exaggeration, 150+ times things like that have happened with other stuff.

Another popular one is the idea that people (including you) thought they were "being targeted." No, in 6 years I've never seen someone be intentionally targeted other than "the list" which was more removing people that already would've been long gone if they hadn't found unintended loopholes around our expiring warning point system for years than anything. What actually happens is that someone gets like 2 warnings in the same week by coincidence, which then causes us to monitor their posts more closely for a couple weeks to make sure they're not continuing to break rules. That causes us to discover when they do break rules faster than normal, which gets them more warnings rapidly, which causes them to break even more rules to get back at us, which causes more warnings etc. until they're banned and claim they were "personally targeted." If they had just chilled out for like two weeks and stopped inflaming situations we would've stopped needing to monitor their posts or ban them (which is why the suspension system exists, to give them time to chill without getting banned). But somehow that's "the moderators are targeting me." We also don't choose when to suspend someone, the system does it automatically based on points. If you have 3 points, and I have to give you a warning right now for something, and the suspension is 4 points...I literally have no way around it even if the post I'm warning you for 100% does not deserve a suspension; it breaks our staff code of conduct to disable the automatic suspension.

As for Mesanna, we tried for SO LONG behind the scenes to work with her and help her, and every single time she'd backstab us, throw us under the bus for her own mistakes, and go out of her way to screw us over while we were trying to help her. I've personally covered for her 3 separate times on Stratics when she straight up lied to people and then expected me to fix it for her without telling people she lied. I distinctly remember one time where some random person posted a pretty nasty insult about her, and by total luck I saw and deleted it without it ever being reported within 30 seconds of it being posted. Apparently, in those 30 seconds, Nails screenshotted it and emailed it to her. Mesanna then sent a rage email to us about how we're letting people attack her, we're horrible etc. 7 HOURS after I had already deleted the post. She didn't even bother to look at the forum, she just saw Nails' screenshot and went straight to attacking us. I was one of the last people who wanted anything to do with her at all by then, and that was the moment I started refusing her requests too. I have no respect whatsoever for her after seeing all the bullshit she pulled on us while painting us as the bad guys.

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Smoot [HOT]
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Post Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:43 pm

i never got a reply for my recent point on my account. the stratics appeal process is non-existent. i dont think they check the email.

keep in mind i got this 1 point for bumping a thread (i posted a picture and showed the new vendor it was on, it wasnt even a "bump")

not going to get too far into things from 4 years ago, but there was a blacklist of people to get rid of who broke no rules, many other people left because of the nonsense going on and were just sick of it. Mesanna cut ties because stratics mods gave out the identitites of several EMs (im not sure if those people are still mods) it makes sense anyway for a game to have its own official site.
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Captn Norrington
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Post Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:14 am

Smoot wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:43 pm
i never got a reply for my recent point on my account. the stratics appeal process is a scam (non-existent)

keep in mind i got this 1 point for bumping a thread (i posted a picture and showed the new vendor it was on, it wasnt even a "bump")

not going to get too far into things from 4 years ago, but there was a blacklist of people to get rid of who broke no rules, many other people left because of the non-sense going on and were just sick of it. Mesanna cut ties because stratics mods gave out the identitites of several EMs.
The appeal process does exist, and I've seen warnings overturned by it a few times. It doesn't happen often, since the way we discuss reports, there's usually already a board member or two who has approved the warning before it even gets sent.

I actually had them check the email a few days ago specifically looking for Link's appeal emails he said he sent, and I was told there aren't any that were sent to them about it within the last few months. Unless he used the wrong email address or something. They don't always respond to them when they receive the emails either if they decide not to overturn it, which is probably the case with your bump thing Smoot.

The EM thing is a lie created by those EM's to cover themselves. What actually happened is that EM's would frequently, and I mean like every month, forget which account they were on when they posted an official EM announcement on Stratics, accidentally revealing their own identities. Then they'd report themselves asking us to fix it, which we always did, although when it took awhile for any of us to see the report sometimes they'd get mad about it. There were like 4 of them who had messed up like that enough times where it became pretty obvious to everyone on the site who they were, and due to the shady stuff they pulled on their real player accounts for years, random people started complaining to Mesanna about them. When Mesanna asked the EM's how their identity was so well known, they lied and blamed us supposedly telling people instead of admitting they accidentally outed themselves repeatedly.

There were about two solid years where I knew who every single EM in the game was on their player account (except Bennu, the only one who did hide himself very well) based solely on knowledge acquired as a player independent of being a Stratics moderator. They really weren't good at keeping it a secret, and still aren't to a certain extent.

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Link [HOT]
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Post Mon May 04, 2020 4:45 pm

I sent an email to Riyana on September 12, 2019:
Hi,
Subject: Hey, Hi, Unban Me Please

I mostly want to login and see what messages have sent me over the past 3 years.

- JCtheBuilder
Never got any response.

As for the whole releasing personal information thing, I didn't even remember that was the reason I got banned until you brought it up. That whole situation was ridiculous and Brian's own fault. Before the whole "personal information" thing came about he outright lied thru his teeth. This is his own post that was on Stratics:
Brian wrote:This is only one of many instances of questionable behavior by JC. It's not limited to Stratics, either. As the owner of another UO site, I will publicly state that I have had multiple messages from JC wherein he has attacked me for not simply giving him all of the UO data I worked to collect and collate, instead of creating my own site. I have heard similar reports from at least two others who own UO info sites. As for UOGuide, JC runs it as a for-profit enterprise, and gives nothing to contributors. UOGuide also displays no license for any of its contributors, but rather, JC claims all copyright for any contributions. I agree, he is interested in building the UO community, but my experience has been that it is more for his own gain, not for the benefit of the community.
Keep in mind I basically never talked to this guy before, yet he got "multiple messages" from me trying to bully him. It is an absolute disgrace that I got banned from Stratics over a guy who is bald-faced lying. I'd love to see what made up messages he could come up with. I'm here posting all his messages, why doesn't he go ahead and post them? I want to read them.

It is so ironic that he claims I work for my own benefit and against the community when a Stratics staff member said this to me shortly after:
Stratics Staff Member wrote:I"m sorry JC. This isn't negotiable on our part. We want the content down, and any future content from Stratics. We own it. In the case of information from our protected, NDA-only forums, it absolutely puts you in a negative legal position to be hosting it. If you don't take it down voluntarily (which is the way we prefer to handle this) we will pursue DMCA take-down warnings. We'd like it removed before midnight tonight, eastern time.
Brian literally took the content off UOGuide and pasted it into Stratics. He made a silly defense how it just "turned out that way from the converter" which he never would reveal what converter he used. The pages people spent so much time hand formatting on UOGuide were identical to the ones on Stratics. An automatic converter isn't gonna copy that.


But I put all this stuff behind me years ago. I guess Stratics staff didn't.

Silly Stratics trying to copystrike me lol.

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Link [HOT]
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Post Mon May 04, 2020 5:41 pm

https://community.stratics.com/threads/ ... st-3040498

What the hell is this comment Norrington:
Norrington wrote:If anyone needs to do that it's the owner of UO Guide, who I will not name since he doesn't have a Stratics account anymore and cannot defend himself, who refuses to collaborate with any other website in any way because he wants to protect the ad revenue that goes directly into his pocket despite UO Guide being a community built effort. We tried to combine the Stratics, UO Guide, and official UO wiki's but he would not budge whatsoever unless he was the sole person in charge of all three websites.
Nobody ever talked to me about combining all 3 sites. Who told you that there was some kind of discussions about this?

UOGuide ad revenue does not even pay the hosting cost anymore. It hasn't for like the last 1-2 years. I'm not really following what it brings in or costs to pay out. Been paying somewhere around $50 a month out of my pocket for quite a while now. Someone literally just offered to buy UOGuide today for $5,000 plus some profit sharing agreement. Like what profit lol.

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Captn Norrington
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Post Mon May 04, 2020 11:44 pm

Link wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 5:41 pm
https://community.stratics.com/threads/ ... st-3040498

What the hell is this comment Norrington:
Norrington wrote:If anyone needs to do that it's the owner of UO Guide, who I will not name since he doesn't have a Stratics account anymore and cannot defend himself, who refuses to collaborate with any other website in any way because he wants to protect the ad revenue that goes directly into his pocket despite UO Guide being a community built effort. We tried to combine the Stratics, UO Guide, and official UO wiki's but he would not budge whatsoever unless he was the sole person in charge of all three websites.
Nobody ever talked to me about combining all 3 sites. Who told you that there was some kind of discussions about this?

UOGuide ad revenue does not even pay the hosting cost anymore. It hasn't for like the last 1-2 years. I'm not really following what it brings in or costs to pay out. Been paying somewhere around $50 a month out of my pocket for quite a while now. Someone literally just offered to buy UOGuide today for $5,000 plus some profit sharing agreement. Like what profit lol.
No one told me, I was there during our Skype meeting where you said it. It was part of the many discussions with various people during the save Stratics campaign fundraiser thing. You had expressed interest in buying Stratics, and after you decided not to in the meeting the other admins told you about our new (at the time) wiki project and the upcoming official UO wiki (which was called Petra's Pages at the time). When asked if you would be willing to combine UO Guide, Stratics, and Petra's Pages wiki information into one thing to be given to each site as a completed wiki instead of being fragmented as they are now, you said no. One of the reasons you gave was that you would lose ad revenue from UO Guide if everyone else had the same information as your site, because it would cut the website views due to other sites having the information, so you would not do it unless you were the sole owner of both Stratics and UO Guide. You also wanted us to stay as Stratics staff working for you as volunteers. We declined. It's unfortunate that you're losing money on UO Guide now, but it apparently wasn't like that when we had the discussion.

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Dragkiris [LEGO]
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Post Fri May 08, 2020 7:05 am

Stratics is absolute trash.

I got banned for posting on the Catskills forums of killing one of the mods who were trying to solo spawns back in like 2008.

I asked to be unbanned around 2014 before I really left UO and was told that me contacting the mods to get unbanned was proof enough that I didn't respect their rules

One of UOs greatest mistakes was farming the "official forums" out to those clowns

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Jirel of Joiry [SoS]
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Post Sun May 17, 2020 9:29 pm

Stratics sucks, period. I was banned during the great "Witch Hunt of 2016". I was actually on the list but they nailed my ass before they unleashed their mass banning. Of the people on that list the only one I thought really had it coming was Aran, cause the bastard stalked me across multiple forums.

Stratics sucked waay before that especially when Petra was running it. Now she runs the UO Official Forums under the moniker Mariah.

I have written several letters asking very nicely for my reinstatement, and I have got one answer "When hell freezes over" the rest of the letters have been ignored.

For the record "Elenni" the so called owner/agent for Stratics. I don't believe she was ever really involved with the UO community. She suddenly appeared in 2016 just as Ron Bron listed the site for sale. Then she disappeared after the sale and becoming the "agent of record" for Stratics. To me it smelled like a scam for Ron Bron to make some quick cash and still own the site. I just know everything I learned researching, stunk why I didn't pledge a penny to the Stratics Go-Fund-Me.

Oh, and the petty assholes no longer allow even the mentioning of Go-Fund me. A member of the UO community passed away His family don't have the money to bury him. My sister asked about posting about his passing and the Go Fund Me, Nexus was supposed to answer her, the chicken shit never answered. What a bunch of HYPOCRITES! They sit up and crow how they are all about the UO community. They are all about themselves.

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Captn Norrington
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Post Fri May 22, 2020 12:36 am

Dragkiris wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 7:05 am
Stratics is absolute trash.

I got banned for posting on the Catskills forums of killing one of the mods who were trying to solo spawns back in like 2008.

I asked to be unbanned around 2014 before I really left UO and was told that me contacting the mods to get unbanned was proof enough that I didn't respect their rules

One of UOs greatest mistakes was farming the "official forums" out to those clowns
That was before any of the current Stratics Staff were hired. We only have I think two people left from back then, and neither of them had any power whatsoever back then, they were just a normal news reporter and a moderator of the extremely small thief forum with no say over administrative decisions like that. It's rather unfair to blanket-criticize the site like that based on things that happened before any of us were running it.

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